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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics are an

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episode number 310 for the 28th of

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September 2014 Richard Saunders here

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with you from Sydney Australia 10 nice

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spring type day it was in Sydney

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Australia today just lovely not hot sun

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shining what a lovely date was here in

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Sydney Australia a nice place to be at

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the moment and this week's episode of

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the skeptic zone is a bumper issue in

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fact it's even gone over time a little

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bit to make up for the last few episodes

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which have gone a little bit under time

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or something like that or if it's just

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the way these things happen we've got

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lots of things coming up this week

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kicking off with an interview with an

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old friend of mine Michael Marshall from

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Liverpool Michael Marshall what's so

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exciting that there Michael is going to

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be joining us here in Sydney Australia

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for this train skeptics national

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convention in November be great to catch

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up with Michael Marshall and show him

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Sydney Town but i'm going to be chatting

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to him about some of the activities he's

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been up to recently and the podcasts

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he's involved with and some of the

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investigations to a chat with Michael

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Marshall coming up to kick off the

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skeptic zone and following that it's

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another guest editorial by Cigna Kane

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now about a week ago a posting was

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brought to my attention are from

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homeopathy plus what a fun group they

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are homeopathy plus in their newsletter

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linked to a petition to the World Health

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Organization too well fill in the dots I

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think you can guess what I'm going to

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say to get homeopathy after those people

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suffering from the Ebola virus I kid you

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not yes there are some people out there

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who think that magic sugar water can

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help fight Ebola we live in that sort of

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world folks and that's why there are

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skeptical groups out there to fight this

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sort of outrageous nonsense even Fred

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the cat asleep on the couch beside me

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can't believe it

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guest editorial by Sigma Kane and

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dressing this issue and cigna has a

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daily science blog which I'll certainly

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link to in the show notes this week why

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don't you visit WWE kane com that's SI g

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in e SI aan e sigma can calm where you

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can find out more cigna kane freelance

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science writer and journalist and she's

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on the committee for Australian skeptics

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to following the editorial from cigna

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Kane it's a week in science from our

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good friends at the Royal Institution of

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Australia will I ever get to visit there

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will I ever get to visit of course I

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will just a matter of sort of lighting

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these things up Adelaide is such a

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beautiful city folks Wow and then after

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that it's a very interesting interview

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with her and I'll friend of mine susan

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ger Beck now Susan and her friends in

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California and around the world cooked

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up a plan they went to see a psychic in

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California by the name of chip coffey

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who is not really known in Australia but

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United States and well i won't give too

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much away but there needless to say they

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were very skeptical about this guy find

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out about their investigations coming up

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later in the show with an interview of

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Susan Kovac then the round off the show

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it's Maynard spooky action very spooky

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action this week may not gave me a bath

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skype call and well it's almost

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indescribable he sort of had this really

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interesting ideas about cosmos the TV

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show and ancient aliens the TV show yeah

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this is sort of logic only Maynard can

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come up with but I think you might enjoy

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the final segment of today's show may

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not spooky action very spooky indeed now

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those people in Sydney you can have an

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interesting experience you can meet me

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at the Australian paranormal and

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spiritual expo ooh on the fourth of

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October that the coming saturday at the

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casula powerhouse arts

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and the easiest way to find out about

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this Expo would be to go to ww

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Australian paranormal and spiritual expo

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com delay you now i'll be giving a talk

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interesting giving a talk at a

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paranormal Expo I wonder what I'm going

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to say and also the Australian skeptics

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will have a table there with information

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and our magazine come up and chat to us

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and say hello I might need all the

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support I can get a bit more about this

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Expo later on in the skeptic zone but

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week I better run downstairs

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straightaway get some popcorn yes it's

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that sort of show folks I'm going to

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this well I'm munching on my popcorn I

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and joining me on the line now all the

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way from Liverpool a Liverpool is a

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bus and we sort of travel past Liverpool

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but I've never been believable I'd like

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to go to Liverpool it's none other than

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Michael Marshall hello Michael hello

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Richard I can't believe you've never

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been to Liverpool that's a massive

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disappointment even to Manchester plenty

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of times but never Liverpool know it

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it's a disgrace because as a lot of

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people know I've you know I'm a big

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Beatles fan and I daresay if I went

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there i'd spend or you know my whole

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time just going from one famous beetle

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location to them to the next but put the

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Beatles aside for a moment you've been

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very busy Michael Marshall since we've

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thinking society which is set up by

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Simon seeing if I'm sure your listeners

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are incredibly familiar with that

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fantastic skeptic and I've been working

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my work with good thinking and some were

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mentality and I'm sure you you share it

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exists in a glass box in a museum that

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can't play with it its hands off and I'm

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stories and experiences but you also get

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to see kind of firsthand what it is that

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quiet skeptical activism really as a

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question people ask me quite often

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reporters and then and what have you now

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strangest thing you've ever come across

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answer because they're expecting me to

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pretty scary but of course we can't say

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because nothing really happens like that

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say I've seen it seen a lot of strange

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different reason for example I was in a

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mind-body-spirit festival my buddy

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wallet festival and oh you're very fond

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of corrigan and i met this this

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remarkable group of people called i

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think was called the book of knowledge

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one it's written in English and it's

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some people might say is gobbling you

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just word salad but the reason it

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doesn't make any sense to us is because

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it's far too sophisticated for us to

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understand because this information

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wasn't written by a human being it was

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Turkish lady by aliens from the Alpha

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Channel and so I think I get that on my

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trappings of a cult and what they were

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complicated that we can't understand it

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the only way for us to kind of imbibe

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into ourselves and all the energies the

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Alpha energies the alpha particles that

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are emanating from this living book as

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they call it the only way to really get

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that on board is to copy every word of

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this in a 1200 page book out by hand and

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you have to use a black pen

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not blue couldn't use blue ink for some

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reason that would block the alpha

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fixed smile and that fixed I kind of

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glare that you get of someone who's in a

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cult they told me that the difficulty

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with this can be the book is alive if

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you look at it we know it's alive

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it and we can see that the book has an

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aura and the aura changes between day

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and night and that's because at night

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the book is downloading new information

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the morning the page of the book contain

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must be very easy for you to check check

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against what you wrote down from

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yesterday you just like cross reference

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and he said well the thing is all the

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copies of the books change and your

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memories of the books change so it's all

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changed so it all now correlates again

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and so it's impossible tell that has

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changed but we know it has because the

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aura photography and the alpha channels

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and things and you'd yell at I mean

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honestly you know when I was it was

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wroth cooks I asked the lady who was

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talking to me I asked her she was tell

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me about the alpha alpha waves and how

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the only reason that human beings ever

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age and dies because we have a lack of

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alpha energy so if you read this book

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you get alpha energy on board and

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ultimately we're not meant to die so I

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said okay so if you if you do copy out

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this book and you take on board all this

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alpha energy does that mean you'll live

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longer and she said what we can't know

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that because we don't know how long you

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would have lived if you hadn't read the

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book and I thought well she's got me

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there I mean she's right she's she's

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proposing a double but she said we can't

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do a double blind study of this and

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she's kind of right this is a sort of

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stuff you can't make up but somebody did

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yeah well this is the thing and I

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absolutely love it this where I love

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about my body wallet festivals I met

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another guy there and again sometimes

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you'll find people who start off by

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advertising something that seems on the

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peripheries of nonsense but not really

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out there and there's a guy who is doing

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hypnotic gastric band so he's always LSU

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thick gastric bands he's no we don't fit

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them but we hypnotize you to think that

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you've got one and then your stomach

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will react as if it's actually got a

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physical

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and restricting it from taking on board

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too much food and so you'll stop eating

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before you you get hungry before you are

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you otherwise would have done and you'll

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lose weight that way and he was a

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hypnotist and I just started talking

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about other things that he was doing yet

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a little sign up there about past-life

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regression so he do past lives he see ya

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I've taking people through all sorts of

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past lives and I was about to walk away

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and he said do you wanna know how you

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can tell how many lives you've had in

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the past I definitely want you to tell

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me that yes I really want me to explain

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that to me and he said what you do is

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you hold your two hands up in front of

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your fears palms facing you and you

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bring your thumbs across until you're

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touching the base of your little fingers

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and then if you look around this of the

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fleshy part of the thumb just as it goes

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towards the wrist you can see lots of

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lines appear and you count those lines

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on both hands and cumulatively that's

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the number of past lives you've had well

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I've been around the traps a few times

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well this is it and he said all so I he

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said he had like seven on one hand it in

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her hands we had 15 past lives something

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like that and I said do you ever find

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that the older people get the more past

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lives they seem to have had except that

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you do see that sometimes and then he

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was saying so I said so he might have

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had 10 or 15 I forget the adapters that

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number i remember saying to him that

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let's say that you've had 10 past lives

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and each of those might have lived to

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let's say in nineteen that's unlikely

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because of the age that people live to

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bless in ninety that means your spirit

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has been around for a thousand years

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where was it before then he said well he

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said me a little twinkly as I said well

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that's an interesting question I've

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tried to take people back through their

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past lives to the first-ever past life

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and then beyond that and I've only ever

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had two people come up with answers so

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the first person said it was kind of

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like a light like an ethereal kind of

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light and we weren't physically there

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but I knew that I was there but I wasn't

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very embody i was there in kind of a

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spirit and then before I knew I was in

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the body I mean I was in for my first

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life and he said in the second person

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who answered it said i was on a planet

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called the Pleiades and he said I looked

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it up and the Pleiades does exist so it

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must be true I thought it's it it's

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about a private though is it it's about

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a bucket it's a relatively young

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constellation yeah and then he was

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saying and he said so that mean this

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just raises the questions he was saying

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said so how do we get from the Pleiades

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to hear no one knows oh where where do

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we go when we finish our lives I don't

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know because I've never met anyone

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he's done that journey but it's

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interesting isn't it well it's it's

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quite interesting yeah yeah yes I've

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heard similar interesting stories and

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and you can have fun conversations with

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these people mind by the wallet

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festivals in fact i generally discover

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you have two types of conversations with

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people you can have one like that where

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you are keep asking them questions and

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they just keep coming up with

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interesting shall we say interesting

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answers or you get the times where you

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will put points to people and before

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long they're going to start to get short

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tempered with you oh yeah I know I've

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had those too and it would see that how

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I tend to do that I'm sure you're quite

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similar I'm never challenging really i

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wouldn't say on a matter of mind bodies

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very facile i'm there to learn I'm there

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to understand first of all who's out

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there what this landscape that where

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we're trying to counteract looks like so

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what are we what are we sort of i don't

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i say fighting against God don't like

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combi to defoors in that way but what

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are we looking to challenge we're

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looking to counter and educate people

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about so I think I being there and

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observing it in its natural state this

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landscape then you understand what

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different things are going on and I'm

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also there to understand and

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interconnected people i really enjoy i'm

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fascinated by being in a room with

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people who i completely disagree with

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and learning about their belief systems

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and what led them there because maybe if

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I know what led them to this extreme

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belief system I can then spot those

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signs where I'm coming across somebody

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who hasn't gone that far down you like

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and maybe see whether the next step in

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their path would be in and provide them

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the kind of questions to ask before they

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get there so I think that's really

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useful but you also get the people i

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think it's i think it's hugely useful

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you know i think you can really spot

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people learn and help people challenge

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their beliefs before they get there yeah

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yeah and it's something that I've been

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saying now for over 60 years on the

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skeptics own podcast but people skeptics

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who or anybody who considers themselves

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to be a skeptic or thinks they're part

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of the movement or likes to consider

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themselves and in this respect if you

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haven't been to a mind-body wallet or a

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psychic fair or of this sort of thing

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then you're doing yourself a disservice

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because you really need to to interface

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with these people so to speak to see

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what they're up to to hear what they're

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saying to understand their

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reasoning processes it helps you

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enormously and as I mentioned at the top

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of the show next weekend here in Sydney

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I'm going to be speaking in a paranormal

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convention myself so that should be very

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interesting indeed yeah I'm absolutely

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sure it would and I think as well it's

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seeing who's going along to these shores

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and seeing what they're being told and

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seeing how they respond to it and

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sometimes you can if you go in there as

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the skeptic and you're saying well

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that's nonsense and you're talking

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belonging it you know then not only will

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the practitioner get that back up and

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start you know their defenses go down

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you never going to learn anything about

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them but the people around you will also

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think we'll this guy's being a bit of a

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fool you know he's being annoying but if

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you're there just asking cillian

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questions in innocent ways and I know

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that I when I was recently mind body

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spirit fest and there was a guy who was

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selling little pendants to protect

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people from Wi-Fi and mobile phone

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radiation and he was even showing that

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when you've got your mobile phone on you

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you're really weak and he had a series

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of physical demonstrations to show how

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weak you were and then he give you the

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pendant and then suddenly seem strong

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again and of course it was applied

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kinesiology you know it's this thing

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that you've been yours debunking and it

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was there in front of me and the great

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that you know the fun thing about that

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is when you see applied kinesiology

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demonstrations you know that on some

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level that guy or that person that woman

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must know when to push in one direction

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when to push the other and maybe they're

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kind of fooling themselves maybe they do

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believe it they're using this to kind of

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really convince people but they know

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it's not the most accurate of tests or

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maybe they're outright charlatans will

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never know the degree to which they have

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belief what we do know is they have to

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know which direction to push and I was

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at the one that I saw with this guy who

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was selling these little pendants to

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protect you from Wi-Fi I asked him DUS

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does a test still work even if you don't

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know whether the person has a mobile

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phone on them or not and his reaction

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was pricey I know and I've showed you

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the footage of that his reactions prices

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he's not been asked this question before

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he doesn't have an answer for and

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there's just two minutes of him just

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stalling on the spot and the great thing

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was there were people around me going

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that seems like a really straightforward

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question to ask I mean that seems like

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an easy one to answer well then it comes

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to in this situation there's lots of

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special pleading oh it doesn't work like

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oh you can't test it like that are we

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and I said I recall the the video he

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then walks over and points to something

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at the wall and explains other tests

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that have been done elsewhere which is

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just beside the point of course yeah

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absolutely absolutely and the special

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pleading and things fascinating I mean

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even I think was even at the same

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mind-body-spirit festival is a guy who

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was using some type of device in it was

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either an Amiga wand or they saw that

532
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you knows plenty of little kind of

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technological devices that don't do

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anything apart from give the illusion of

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an effect and he was talking about this

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one chap who's coming in this young guy

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who's coming in had something wrong and

538
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he was supposed to come in for an

539
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appointment he didn't make it he was

540
00:20:00,279 --> 00:19:58,609
very annoyed that this guy didn't make

541
00:20:01,570 --> 00:20:00,289
it when he found out that this guy had

542
00:20:05,349 --> 00:20:01,580
been an accident was on life support

543
00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:05,359
somewhere and so he turned on his wand

544
00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:07,549
or wherever is machine was and sent off

545
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:09,080
the vibrations and this guy got Betty

546
00:20:12,489 --> 00:20:10,369
was on Ally spot machine he was just

547
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:12,499
turning it off and before they turn the

548
00:20:15,729 --> 00:20:13,730
machine off he regained consciousness

549
00:20:17,139 --> 00:20:15,739
since because he was doing this

550
00:20:19,899 --> 00:20:17,149
vibration thing and I remember asking

551
00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:19,909
him so this seems really effective thing

552
00:20:22,629 --> 00:20:21,080
that's I mean you weren't even near him

553
00:20:24,669 --> 00:20:22,639
that's that's remarkable amazed that

554
00:20:27,639 --> 00:20:24,679
more people don't know about this and he

555
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:27,649
said well the thing is you know if this

556
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kind of information and what we talk

557
00:20:32,919 --> 00:20:30,889
about it it's all suppressed because big

558
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farmer can't sell this and I said to him

559
00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:35,720
and I said to me yeah that's that's

560
00:20:38,139 --> 00:20:36,980
that's really interesting another big

561
00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:38,149
farmer suppression is because they can't

562
00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:40,070
sell it how much does the session cost

563
00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:42,350
by the way he saw its 45 pounds it's a

564
00:20:46,389 --> 00:20:43,820
right so I was thinking so you could

565
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sell it so big farmer in all their might

566
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and their many you know millions of

567
00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:50,239
dollars worth of marketing wings can't

568
00:20:53,739 --> 00:20:51,710
figure out to sell it but you just a

569
00:20:55,509 --> 00:20:53,749
chap in northumberland can figure it out

570
00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:55,519
and I was same time but surely just want

571
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to tell the world about this you know

572
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and put all the information out then he

573
00:21:01,299 --> 00:20:59,929
said well the thing about that is the

574
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,309
moment you write anything about this on

575
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the Internet the skeptics come out and

576
00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:04,909
they'll always just sit there in front

577
00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:06,289
the computers writing away they'll never

578
00:21:09,129 --> 00:21:07,580
come and see you and look you in the eye

579
00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:09,139
and I kind of looked up and thought oh I

580
00:21:15,159 --> 00:21:10,580
said oh yeah that must be really

581
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:15,169
annoying and kind of walked off yeah

582
00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:17,330
I've had the cage where people said this

583
00:21:21,249 --> 00:21:19,609
this information has been repressed and

584
00:21:25,239 --> 00:21:21,259
said well how come you know and you're

585
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:25,249
telling me yeah but it's just that idea

586
00:21:29,109 --> 00:21:27,470
that big farmer can't Matt can't figure

587
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out how to sell something that's been

588
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solved by a one-man band

589
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in a church hall in the middle of some

590
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little village in the north it's like

591
00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:37,910
I'm sure glaxo would if this work there

592
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:39,380
be all over this you know that they

593
00:21:43,630 --> 00:21:41,450
seemed much better than having to go

594
00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:43,640
through clinical trials and anything

595
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,160
like that and while glaxo and Big Pharma

596
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,320
should absolutely be a criticized for

597
00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:50,720
the shortcuts they take they don't take

598
00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:52,220
those shortcuts tho those are

599
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:56,809
particularly shortcuts but by yeah and I

600
00:21:59,500 --> 00:21:58,250
also think that the most majority of

601
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people you'll meet in these situations

602
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,940
and I honestly genuinely believe and you

603
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:03,440
probably have a very similar I think

604
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,690
most of them really believe what they're

605
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doing you know they're so sincere they

606
00:22:13,090 --> 00:22:10,370
just want to help they do they do are

607
00:22:16,030 --> 00:22:13,100
largely because they've been convinced

608
00:22:17,950 --> 00:22:16,040
by somebody else this really works they

609
00:22:19,330 --> 00:22:17,960
and I talked about in some of the talks

610
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like if I talk about the positive

611
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:21,380
feedback that a lot of these people get

612
00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:23,690
when they go visit psychics or healers

613
00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:25,880
or something like that it's it's a loop

614
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:28,820
of feedback loop so they'll see people

615
00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:31,250
who seem to be healed or helped and then

616
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:33,590
there that'll utterly convince them so

617
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:36,410
yes again a plea to all our listeners if

618
00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:38,510
you have the opportunity to go to one of

619
00:22:43,390 --> 00:22:40,790
this these things go don't don't go

620
00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:43,400
there to rant and rage ask questions

621
00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:46,070
enough rope is always a good policy give

622
00:22:51,549 --> 00:22:49,240
them enough rope but let's let's have a

623
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:51,559
look now at something else that you're

624
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:53,809
very much concerned with and you can

625
00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:55,490
tell us a little bit more about it I'd

626
00:23:00,130 --> 00:22:56,900
like to know a bit more about the good

627
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:00,140
thinking society yeah so this is uh this

628
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:02,330
is a charity that that Simon Singh set

629
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:04,370
up and I've been working full-time for

630
00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:07,250
it now for six months which is it's

631
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,830
bizarre to be in a position where

632
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:10,880
skepticism is become like a full-time

633
00:23:15,610 --> 00:23:13,370
job and part my job is to go around the

634
00:23:18,370 --> 00:23:15,620
country giving lectures and things which

635
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means essentially my job is to convince

636
00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:20,990
people to doubt stuff and I also like to

637
00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:22,520
point that out to people because always

638
00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:23,720
a few people in the audience who then

639
00:23:27,070 --> 00:23:25,100
don't believe that that's my real job

640
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,080
which I think just proves how good I am

641
00:23:32,049 --> 00:23:29,120
at it you know that I've managed to get

642
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:32,059
them to doubt even that so yeah and it's

643
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,530
what we're trying to do is we're really

644
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:35,600
trying to see it i guess not the similar

645
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:37,130
to the australian skeptics you know

646
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:39,050
we've got to re-establish the

647
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:40,520
organization that's got a track record

648
00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:41,720
of doing stuff I think we're trying to

649
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:43,160
build that in the UK with yet it's

650
00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:43,620
something

651
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:46,020
were probably the biggest country with

652
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:48,330
an active skeptics movement that doesn't

653
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:50,130
have L didn't have something that was a

654
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,210
kind of hardcore skeptic specific

655
00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:55,200
organization or charity that that's

656
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,180
doing this full time so we figured what

657
00:23:59,960 --> 00:23:58,559
what does that look like and how to make

658
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,970
it work and we've we've been doing a few

659
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:01,620
things a lot of the stuff we been doing

660
00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:04,440
is kind of necessarily a bit back office

661
00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:06,270
and a bit under the under the table to

662
00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:07,230
begin with but we're really looking

663
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:09,300
forward to being able to show a few

664
00:24:12,670 --> 00:24:11,130
things in the next kind of coming weeks

665
00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:12,680
and months and there'll be a few

666
00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:14,670
undercover investigations that were

667
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:16,230
looking to show people and a few of the

668
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:17,970
kind of projects but it is it's been

669
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:20,340
really quite exciting to be able to be

670
00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:23,460
out there you know meeting people first

671
00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:24,630
of all meeting skeptics and I think this

672
00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:26,390
is a really big thing for me is that

673
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:28,590
certainly in my experience the UK

674
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:29,970
skeptical movement and I haven't seen

675
00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:31,530
this Catholic a movement up close in

676
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:33,030
other countries I couldn't comment but

677
00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:34,679
certainly you care we've got such a

678
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:37,230
vibrant community in such disparate and

679
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:40,650
different and individual groups and

680
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:41,940
we're all just kind of coalescing and

681
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:43,170
coming together I think it's something

682
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:44,610
to be really celebrated it's very easy

683
00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:46,710
for us to kind of be negative about

684
00:24:51,650 --> 00:24:48,980
stuff but it's it's so much more

685
00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:51,660
embracing to see the positivity in what

686
00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:52,920
we're doing that those people who are

687
00:24:57,799 --> 00:24:56,070
choosing to get together and talk about

688
00:24:59,360 --> 00:24:57,809
the things that aren't true and how do

689
00:25:01,340 --> 00:24:59,370
we help people see what's not true and

690
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,350
how do we kind of spread education and

691
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:02,640
spread activism and things and it's

692
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:05,640
really invigorating a thing to see it or

693
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,250
close and see all around the country and

694
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:09,960
I'm sure even all around the world how

695
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:11,280
these groups are operating I think it's

696
00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:13,559
really coming encouraging I think that's

697
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:15,300
it that's that's an excellent idea what

698
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is the website so people especially in

699
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the UK can check that out I will good

700
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,040
think he's good thinking society org and

701
00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:24,360
yeah like there will be some stuff on

702
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,040
there soon that we re looking forward to

703
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,559
talking about so hopefully people will

704
00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:29,940
be able to check us out cuz what would

705
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:31,230
you rather really do is establish it

706
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:32,340
with a track record and I think

707
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:34,050
sometimes you need to do that by laying

708
00:25:38,419 --> 00:25:35,460
some groundwork that isn't the most kind

709
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:38,429
of glamorous and public to begin with

710
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:40,260
but it's it's it's hopefully all been

711
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,600
good stuff so far good thinking society

712
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:45,840
org which sounds good to me well Michael

713
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,460
Marshall I tell you what this has been

714
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,080
so interesting I'd like to have you on

715
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:50,880
the show again next week to discuss some

716
00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:53,820
more things but as always it's great to

717
00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:56,280
catch up with you but for now all the

718
00:26:00,440 --> 00:25:57,870
they're in Liverpool Michael Marshall

719
00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:00,450
thank you very much Thank You richest in

720
00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:21,990
a pleasure here's a quote from a

721
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,560
petition i came across recently we call

722
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on those within wh 0 in positions of

723
00:26:33,410 --> 00:26:32,100
authority and influence to one look at

724
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home your patties records in the

725
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:35,130
treatment and prevention of serious

726
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:37,590
epidemic disease to engage with

727
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:39,300
qualified representatives from the

728
00:26:43,690 --> 00:26:41,550
homeopathic profession to formally

729
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:43,700
identify the best indicated remedies

730
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,770
three test those remedies to determine

731
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:48,720
which are best for the treatment and

732
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:51,810
prevention of Ebola for obtained

733
00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:53,700
suppliers of those remedies from waiting

734
00:26:59,360 --> 00:26:56,060
and concerned homeopathic pharmacies

735
00:27:01,220 --> 00:26:59,370
five bring the outbreaks under control

736
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,230
by distributing these remedies as

737
00:27:06,290 --> 00:27:03,120
quickly as possible throughout the

738
00:27:08,150 --> 00:27:06,300
affected areas finally please end the

739
00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:08,160
suffering of those in the Ebola crisis

740
00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:09,980
by using the tried and proven

741
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:14,040
homeopathic option and quote now as a

742
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:16,260
skeptic I often don't hesitate to voice

743
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,060
my opinion on traditional and

744
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,580
alternative remedies I don't think

745
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:22,080
there's much wrong with drinking a

746
00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:23,490
horrible tea when you have a sore throat

747
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:25,950
and it's the same if you want to pop

748
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:27,810
some vitamins when your mood or energy

749
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:29,910
levels are a bit low because that kind

750
00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:32,940
of stuff is pretty much harmless besides

751
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:35,160
it can indeed make you feel better even

752
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,510
if the effect comes from the belief that

753
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:38,940
the substance may help the phenomenon we

754
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:42,120
all know as the placebo effect in some

755
00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:44,130
aspects I believe he'll me apathy falls

756
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,230
into that category for the most part is

757
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,440
just silly but harmless however as you

758
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:51,600
can see from that petition I just quoted

759
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:53,820
there are also some rather deranged

760
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,220
homeopathy supporters out there who seem

761
00:28:00,620 --> 00:27:58,200
to be ignorant of the scientific body of

762
00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:00,630
knowledge and of how infectious diseases

763
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,630
work sometimes this attitude seems to be

764
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,700
fueled by denial of the germ theory of

765
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,440
disease you know the modern

766
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:09,480
substantiated and evidence-based

767
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:10,330
scientific

768
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,370
theory that explains how some diseases

769
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:14,799
are caused by microorganisms you know

770
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:17,590
likely bola virus homeopathy on the

771
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:20,350
other hand hugs back to just one 18th

772
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:22,210
century German medical practitioner

773
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,730
named Samuel Hahnemann who lived a while

774
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,559
before the germ theory even fully

775
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:28,960
displaced all previous and mistaken

776
00:28:34,019 --> 00:28:31,929
ideas on what caused disease amongst

777
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:34,029
those were things like the miasma theory

778
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:36,010
that claimed disease comes from bad air

779
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:38,350
we just didn't know better until the

780
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,630
scientific method came along and that's

781
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:42,840
okay because this is how science works

782
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,580
the ritual is to homeopathic remedies

783
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:47,679
prepared by the German doctor have no

784
00:28:52,769 --> 00:28:49,950
plausible biological mechanism of action

785
00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:52,779
the remedies are produced by a method of

786
00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:55,059
extreme dilution of the original plant

787
00:29:00,360 --> 00:28:57,789
or animal matter which is then shaken in

788
00:29:02,129 --> 00:29:00,370
particular ways today the theory

789
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:02,139
homeopathy is considered as

790
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:03,970
pseudoscience and is on its way to

791
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:06,490
become a largely discredited branch of

792
00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:08,860
alternative medicine the people who

793
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:10,990
claim it works use arguments on how

794
00:29:17,009 --> 00:29:14,110
water has memory or behold quantum

795
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:17,019
phenomena are at play most often though

796
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:19,630
it either doesn't work at all or it

797
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:21,820
helps via they already mentioned placebo

798
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:24,730
effect which is fine if you have a cold

799
00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:27,070
but not fine if you have a deadly in

800
00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:29,740
terrible viral disease like the Ebola

801
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:32,620
virus however I'm not particularly

802
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:34,929
worried that the wh 0 might start

803
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:37,320
wasting energy and engaging with quote

804
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:39,490
qualified representatives from the

805
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:41,740
homeopathic profession to formally

806
00:29:46,769 --> 00:29:44,230
identify the best indicated remedies and

807
00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:46,779
quote just a few years ago the British

808
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:49,899
Medical Journal reported on how the wh 0

809
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:53,049
was warning against using homeopathy for

810
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,710
anything serious Ebola is very serious

811
00:30:01,259 --> 00:29:59,200
and doctors in western Africa are doing

812
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:01,269
the best they can I'm sure that the

813
00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:02,769
world will get through this epidemic

814
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,500
eventually with no help from outdated

815
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:08,399
and misleading alternative practices

816
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:10,990
homeopathy should just stay away from

817
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:13,809
places where real medicine is vitally

818
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:17,350
important this is Sigma Kane especially

819
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:26,090
hey guys Jana Vella here simple question

820
00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:29,740
where will you be this November because

821
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:31,630
I know I'm going to be at the Australian

822
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,370
skeptics national convention in Sydney

823
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:34,960
and so will all the rest of us from the

824
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:36,340
skeptics guide to the universe including

825
00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:39,430
George Rob and Dick Smith and dr. Karl

826
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:41,620
and dr. Reggie and lots of other awesome

827
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:44,620
people why aren't you going did you not

828
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,750
sign up yet get on there and sign up

829
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,340
this is going to be some epic stuff here

830
00:30:58,110 --> 00:30:50,320
you don't want to miss it go to skeptics

831
00:31:01,020 --> 00:30:58,120
com au forward slash convention welcome

832
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:01,030
to a week in science from RI oz bringing

833
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:04,270
you the science you needs know we all

834
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:07,690
live in a soup of chemicals does that

835
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:12,610
worry you chemicals are all around us

836
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,440
and their variety is constantly

837
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:16,960
increasing as new synthetic chemicals

838
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:19,150
have reduced but there is a lot of

839
00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:21,370
confusion around about what chemicals

840
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:23,320
are out there and whether they are safe

841
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:25,930
or dangerous chemicals can be either

842
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:28,810
natural or synthetic but that doesn't

843
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:32,110
mean safe or dangerous many synthetic

844
00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:34,450
chemicals are completely safe around

845
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:37,300
humans while some natural chemicals can

846
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:39,640
be deadly and are found in common food

847
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:42,490
such as apples almonds and potatoes and

848
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:45,490
any talk about living chemical-free is

849
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:48,370
complete nonsense we are made of

850
00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:50,500
chemicals and we consume a huge variety

851
00:31:56,589 --> 00:31:53,389
of them every day

852
00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:56,599
a cause for concern is that many

853
00:32:00,909 --> 00:31:58,070
chemicals are added to our environment

854
00:32:03,249 --> 00:32:00,919
every day and in many cases we don't

855
00:32:05,589 --> 00:32:03,259
know what effects they will have on us

856
00:32:09,369 --> 00:32:05,599
or other living creatures it's been

857
00:32:11,499 --> 00:32:09,379
estimated that there are around 143,000

858
00:32:13,569 --> 00:32:11,509
new chemicals that we've deliberately

859
00:32:16,449 --> 00:32:13,579
unleashed on the world over the last

860
00:32:18,579 --> 00:32:16,459
century or so and a similar number of

861
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:18,589
new chemicals have accidentally been

862
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:21,289
released most of these chemicals will be

863
00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:23,929
completely safe but some may be harmful

864
00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:26,389
and we do not fully understand which

865
00:32:30,669 --> 00:32:28,309
ones will be dangerous and in what

866
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:30,679
concentrations while claims of an

867
00:32:35,409 --> 00:32:32,809
impending chemical apocalypse may be

868
00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:35,419
premature there is a need to more

869
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,759
effectively regulate what chemicals are

870
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:39,679
out there and what effect they're having

871
00:32:47,169 --> 00:32:42,769
on our environment now for fast facts

872
00:32:49,089 --> 00:32:47,179
about the chemical suit the widely used

873
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:49,099
and denounced herbicide glyphosate is

874
00:32:53,829 --> 00:32:51,049
less toxic than a commonly proposed

875
00:32:56,019 --> 00:32:53,839
natural herbicide concocted from vinegar

876
00:32:57,969 --> 00:32:56,029
table salt and soap the artificial

877
00:33:00,489 --> 00:32:57,979
sweetener aspartame will not give you

878
00:33:03,310 --> 00:33:00,499
cancer contrary to a widely distributed

879
00:33:05,739 --> 00:33:03,320
internet rumor apples contain jet fuel

880
00:33:07,930 --> 00:33:05,749
nail polish remover and toilet bowl

881
00:33:09,729 --> 00:33:07,940
cleaner but don't be scared what matters

882
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,739
is the concentration that they naturally

883
00:33:13,989 --> 00:33:12,320
occur in and despite a huge campaign

884
00:33:17,009 --> 00:33:13,999
setting the supposed dangers of the

885
00:33:19,329 --> 00:33:17,019
plastic chemical bisphenol A or BPA

886
00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:19,339
several studies have independently

887
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:21,409
concluded it does not pose serious

888
00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:24,440
neurological dangers or cause cancer in

889
00:33:29,229 --> 00:33:27,169
humans that's it for this a week in

890
00:33:31,479 --> 00:33:29,239
science for more information about the

891
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:31,489
chemical soup just go to the rirs

892
00:33:38,889 --> 00:33:36,049
website RI aus org a you follow us on

893
00:33:41,349 --> 00:33:38,899
twitter at our iOS and like us on

894
00:34:05,780 --> 00:33:41,359
facebook i'm paul willis and we'll catch

895
00:34:10,649 --> 00:34:08,550
and joining me on the line the telephone

896
00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:10,659
line this time from sunny California

897
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:13,840
it's Susan grbac hello Susan hi Richard

898
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:16,270
hi it's good it's good to catch up with

899
00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:19,000
you we should catch up more often I have

900
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,340
been very busy you you have been very

901
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:24,639
busy and Our Mutual Friend the wonderful

902
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:26,950
penny chad has given me a big inside

903
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,919
scoop tip here so that's why I'm

904
00:34:35,849 --> 00:34:32,320
chatting to you and this is concerning a

905
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:35,859
man who calls himself a psychic and I

906
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:37,450
don't think he's very well known here

907
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:38,590
but he's certainly well known in the

908
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:40,389
States but a man by the name of chip

909
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:42,820
coffey what's the latest skeptical

910
00:34:49,649 --> 00:34:45,690
adventures with him well we have been

911
00:34:51,899 --> 00:34:49,659
following his career for the last few

912
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:51,909
years and I say we I mean the skeptical

913
00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:54,190
friends that I have that are more

914
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:56,919
activists related and we've been

915
00:35:02,640 --> 00:34:59,290
following what he's been doing and going

916
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:02,650
to shows and observing him we were

917
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:05,380
trying to test a hypothesis to find out

918
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:08,980
if he may be using hot reading

919
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:12,660
techniques to get information we try to

920
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,810
test that and it turns out that in my

921
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:19,359
opinion he's not using hot reading at

922
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,170
all he's using cold reading to make it

923
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:25,420
seem like he's psychic when it's not

924
00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:27,609
right then just for the benefit of our

925
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,369
listeners of course cold reading is when

926
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:32,560
you read someone cold in other words you

927
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:36,220
have no prior knowledge of them and you

928
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:38,260
make it seem like you're reaching their

929
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,850
dead relatives or things like that in

930
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:41,680
hot reading of course is when you do

931
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:43,240
have prior knowledge of the people

932
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:45,790
you're about to read yes alright so I

933
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:48,190
believe you went along to see the

934
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:51,010
performance the show we had two teams

935
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:53,530
the first one was in Los Angeles

936
00:36:00,420 --> 00:35:58,570
California and they went in with a

937
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:00,430
I think there was four of them they went

938
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:04,240
in and tried to get chips attention to

939
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:06,940
give them a you know razor hand and

940
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:09,310
tried to speak to someone that had

941
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:12,610
departed and ship did not call on

942
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,640
anybody in our skeptic group but they

943
00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:18,400
reported back to us and told us things

944
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:20,260
that we should do to probably get

945
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:22,900
noticed and there were things like

946
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:26,050
arrive early get a very good seat wear

947
00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:28,150
bright colored clothing be very friendly

948
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,590
be very open and talk more to each other

949
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:34,240
stay in a group and talk to each other

950
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:37,690
about who we wanted to reach and make

951
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:39,430
friends with other people in the

952
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,710
audience that were just waiting to see

953
00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:44,320
chip so we took advantage of all those

954
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,700
suggestions and we sat down that they're

955
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,280
very early it was myself and two other

956
00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:53,680
people we had three people that we

957
00:37:00,000 --> 00:36:55,990
wanted to reach that were people who who

958
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:00,010
are either alive or do not exist and so

959
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,650
we used a lot of our wii u start

960
00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:04,960
personality to friend the people in the

961
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:06,700
audience we were very friendly we're

962
00:37:11,790 --> 00:37:09,310
very open we talked a lot about what we

963
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:11,800
wanted to do and we wanted to reach i

964
00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:14,830
brought five by seven photos of a child

965
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:16,840
which happened to be my friend sterling

966
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:19,980
when he was a baby and we were able to

967
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:23,140
get his attention how is probably what I

968
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:25,240
should say we wanted to find we want a

969
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:29,020
chip to call on one of us and report

970
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:33,460
that he had seen art he was speaking to

971
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:35,170
our dead spirit that we wanted to

972
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:37,060
contact that was our goal is to get one

973
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,400
of it alright so you went in there with

974
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:41,680
the the plan ready and people like

975
00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:43,360
yourself I think that would no doubt

976
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,820
would be able to tell when somebody was

977
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:48,220
using well cold reading techniques maybe

978
00:37:53,970 --> 00:37:50,770
oh yes definitely i've been following

979
00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:53,980
psychics for many many years and it is

980
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:56,440
something that you notice right away

981
00:38:00,450 --> 00:37:58,330
when it's a cold reading technique and

982
00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:00,460
as he did other readings to people in

983
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:04,060
the audience it was so obvious like one

984
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:06,550
man he asked him who's the man who's

985
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:10,600
jingling coins in his pocket and the man

986
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:11,950
volunteered oh my

987
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:15,490
that's my father's brother so in my mind

988
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:17,260
I'm thinking he just threw something

989
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:19,570
chip just threw something out there and

990
00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:22,900
the man would probably report later that

991
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:26,740
chip would had gotten his uncle I can

992
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:28,750
see the man saying and chip coffey got

993
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:31,270
my uncle but chief coffee didn't get his

994
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:33,430
uncle chip coffey just threw it out

995
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:35,770
there and and the gentleman in the

996
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:40,030
audience made the link he's the one who

997
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:43,810
made the jump to the uncle and people

998
00:38:48,590 --> 00:38:45,910
tend to miss remember what it is it

999
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:48,600
actually happened and so that's another

1000
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,150
it was so obvious to us it was it was

1001
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:54,400
very obvious in our opinion that he was

1002
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:57,610
shooting cold reading tactics and you

1003
00:39:02,400 --> 00:38:59,170
know just the standard things there was

1004
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:02,410
nothing really original it was just many

1005
00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:04,060
statements that I've heard many many

1006
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:07,270
times right and I understand the chip

1007
00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:09,970
coffey is a somewhat famous in America

1008
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:14,140
it reappears on television apparently

1009
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:16,810
he's telling us at the show that he just

1010
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:18,780
signed a new contract for a new TV show

1011
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:21,370
that will be appearing and he had to be

1012
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:23,140
quiet about it but he told us that he

1013
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:25,420
find a couple days ago when he was in

1014
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,460
Los Angeles so you know we're going to

1015
00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:29,680
be seeing a lot more of him he had a

1016
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,500
show called paranormal state and psychic

1017
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:34,960
kids oh I've heard of those shows yes

1018
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:38,170
yes so as the the show progressed Susan

1019
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:40,180
I understand that he actually didn't

1020
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:41,860
call on some of you what happened after

1021
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:46,030
them well he did state that he was going

1022
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:48,670
to do a technique called hop skip and

1023
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:51,730
jump which we heard in other psychics

1024
00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:55,330
use calling it hops hopping around or

1025
00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:59,470
that kind of thing it seems to be a way

1026
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:01,510
that they make a general statement to a

1027
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:03,540
group of people maybe 30 people

1028
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:06,280
piggybacking is what it's called some

1029
00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:08,350
psychics call it and what that is is

1030
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:11,320
just saying a general statement like I

1031
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:15,490
see a a man jiggling coins in this

1032
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:17,080
pocket does that mean anything to you

1033
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:20,620
and it's his way of saying that it isn't

1034
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:23,530
if it isn't you it's probably the person

1035
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:26,020
who's sitting next to you or the person

1036
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:27,850
in the row ahead of you or the row

1037
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:29,740
behind you it's just kind of a general

1038
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:32,830
way of saying that so in case he doesn't

1039
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:35,710
hit with somebody he's fading face by

1040
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:36,790
saying oh no it must have been that

1041
00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:38,770
person over there yes no they saw

1042
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:40,840
something recently said many times we've

1043
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:42,550
see it you took the words right out of

1044
00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:46,240
my mouth this is a very for those our

1045
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:48,340
people out there who do performance let

1046
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:51,430
me just say and who make it look like

1047
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:52,780
they're talking to the dead this is one

1048
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:54,010
of the techniques they'll use and

1049
00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:56,050
they'll often say well this is I'm only

1050
00:41:01,500 --> 00:40:58,030
interpreting the messages I get and if I

1051
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:01,510
if I'm sensing it's in this region of

1052
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:03,460
the audience maybe its user or user or

1053
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:05,830
user right it's kind of a way of saving

1054
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,470
face is there talking to you and

1055
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:11,200
suddenly it doesn't make sense like

1056
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:12,610
you're not connecting with them anymore

1057
00:41:16,110 --> 00:41:14,590
then he could say well you know what i

1058
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:16,120
think the spirit is just switched to the

1059
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:18,070
person next to you does it make any

1060
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,310
sense to you and it's a way of doing

1061
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:24,400
that so he started out his statement by

1062
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:26,170
saying i'm going to try to do a hop skip

1063
00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:29,080
and jump right in this area and he's

1064
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:31,780
pointing to the group i'm in which is

1065
00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:34,300
about 30 people within three four five

1066
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:37,870
rows from the stage and he has his

1067
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:39,670
assistant come over with a microphone

1068
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:43,450
and he said I'm getting an older woman

1069
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:48,970
who has a child and so I was holding a

1070
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:51,700
five by seven photo of a child uh-huh as

1071
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:54,280
I was holding my hand up so he could see

1072
00:41:58,980 --> 00:41:56,200
from the stage that I had a picture of a

1073
00:42:01,260 --> 00:41:58,990
child and I'm nodding my head very

1074
00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:01,270
vigorously and smiling and trying to

1075
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:04,420
keep from jumping up looking very

1076
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:06,370
obviously it is my child that he's

1077
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:09,120
talking about and so he looks at me and

1078
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:12,970
I'm like that must be my son and then

1079
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:14,770
the person to my right who's also a

1080
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:17,950
skeptic says and I have the mother

1081
00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:20,050
figure I know I have the mother figure

1082
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:22,060
that you're reaching and then the woman

1083
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:24,790
to my left he's also skeptic she

1084
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:28,510
volunteers my and my sister died in a

1085
00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:33,250
World Trade sitter search didn't really

1086
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:36,580
have any choice because we kind of took

1087
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:39,100
control and said this is this must be

1088
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:39,380
our

1089
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:41,630
this must be s that you're talking about

1090
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,700
yes and all the rest of the people in

1091
00:42:47,529 --> 00:42:45,500
the group that is around us we've made

1092
00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:47,539
friends with them before the show

1093
00:42:51,549 --> 00:42:49,700
started and they nobody in the group

1094
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:51,559
said oh that must be my people or

1095
00:42:57,249 --> 00:42:53,450
anything like that they just kind of

1096
00:43:02,109 --> 00:42:57,259
backed off and and let chip address us

1097
00:43:04,539 --> 00:43:02,119
the man on my right Sheldon he just went

1098
00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:04,549
with it and him and check went back and

1099
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:06,470
forth and ship was able to get ahold of

1100
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:11,150
Sheldon's mother and told him about what

1101
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:13,910
kind of personality she has how much she

1102
00:43:18,999 --> 00:43:16,130
loved him how much she misses him and

1103
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:19,009
that her death was quick I believe

1104
00:43:23,289 --> 00:43:21,500
that's what he said and on and on and on

1105
00:43:26,769 --> 00:43:23,299
and Sheldon was just nodding his head

1106
00:43:29,259 --> 00:43:26,779
vigorously smiling pretending that you

1107
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:29,269
know he had tears in his eyes and I was

1108
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:32,569
like hugging Sheldon saying oh he's got

1109
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:35,660
you he's got he's got her so then chip

1110
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:39,500
moves to me and he says what's this

1111
00:43:45,009 --> 00:43:42,740
about us your son cuz I said it was my

1112
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,019
son now that I wanted to reach we died

1113
00:43:51,759 --> 00:43:47,359
very young he said what's this about

1114
00:43:56,769 --> 00:43:51,769
legs moving very quickly and I said that

1115
00:43:59,559 --> 00:43:56,779
must be because Matthew died by running

1116
00:44:03,789 --> 00:43:59,569
in front of a car in the street Gooden

1117
00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:03,799
and the whole audience discuss ah and so

1118
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,740
I said yes he he died by renting out in

1119
00:44:10,299 --> 00:44:08,480
front of a car and that must be but it

1120
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:10,309
was because Matthew had so much energy

1121
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,990
and he must have it was very hard to

1122
00:44:18,190 --> 00:44:16,400
contain and you know we were always

1123
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:18,200
worried about that kind of thing he just

1124
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:20,210
got out one day and ran in front of car

1125
00:44:24,999 --> 00:44:22,609
and that's how he died and so chip told

1126
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:25,009
me that he died very quickly there was

1127
00:44:31,809 --> 00:44:28,970
no pain he loves you very much and and

1128
00:44:34,359 --> 00:44:31,819
then he went to the woman on my left her

1129
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:34,369
name is Jan and she does not have a

1130
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:36,200
sister who died in the world trade

1131
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:39,170
center but chip was able to connect with

1132
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:44,180
her dead sister Linda and see that she

1133
00:44:51,069 --> 00:44:48,140
had not had too much pain in the

1134
00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:51,079
collapse of the tower and that she loved

1135
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:52,940
Beatles music and

1136
00:44:59,140 --> 00:44:56,569
and oldies and all that kind of thing so

1137
00:45:04,089 --> 00:44:59,150
chip went from one to the other to the

1138
00:45:06,609 --> 00:45:04,099
other and reached all are dead um people

1139
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:06,619
we wanted to reach and he gave us

1140
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:08,900
details about what that person was

1141
00:45:15,970 --> 00:45:11,450
saying in spirit and telling us how much

1142
00:45:18,579 --> 00:45:15,980
they loved us and so on so in my opinion

1143
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:18,589
we got him well I think the guy is very

1144
00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:22,400
telling because you know we might

1145
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:23,900
suspect all sorts of things about all

1146
00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:25,250
sorts of people and be very skeptical

1147
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:29,720
but if he has real ability he really was

1148
00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:32,720
connecting with ghostly figures then

1149
00:45:40,569 --> 00:45:38,630
either they're lying to him or maybe he

1150
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:40,579
really wasn't connecting with ghostly

1151
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:45,170
figures right if he had been truly in my

1152
00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:49,310
opinion psychic he would have got on the

1153
00:45:55,569 --> 00:45:53,240
stage and said to me I'm not getting a

1154
00:45:59,609 --> 00:45:55,579
young child I'm not getting a boy I'm

1155
00:46:03,220 --> 00:45:59,619
not getting any of that but I am getting

1156
00:46:06,609 --> 00:46:03,230
an old herb and figure father figure or

1157
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,619
older mother figure or whatever because

1158
00:46:12,430 --> 00:46:09,920
you know I'm 52 years old so it's pretty

1159
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:12,440
likely that i have grandparents that are

1160
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:15,410
not alive if he wants to play it really

1161
00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:18,770
safe right so he could not tell but I

1162
00:46:27,099 --> 00:46:22,760
was a skeptic that I was lying that I

1163
00:46:28,839 --> 00:46:27,109
was there fraudulently did per se you

1164
00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:28,849
know I came in with a story that was not

1165
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,950
true he couldn't he didn't seem to be

1166
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:32,240
able to tell that the spirits weren't

1167
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:34,790
telling him that and the spirit should

1168
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:37,310
have told him that there is no I'm not

1169
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:39,170
getting your sister in the World Trade

1170
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:41,060
Center I'm not time for some reason I

1171
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,020
can't get that but I am getting an aunt

1172
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:48,079
or an uncle or a mother or a grandfather

1173
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:49,550
or something like that somebody who

1174
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:51,800
really had died for some reason he is

1175
00:46:57,819 --> 00:46:54,170
unable to tell the difference between

1176
00:47:01,359 --> 00:46:57,829
somebody who's lying and somebody who

1177
00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:01,369
you know possibly isn't and he was able

1178
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:03,380
to connect very quickly too many people

1179
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:06,170
in the audience in fact he was very able

1180
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:06,840
to

1181
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:12,390
it didn't seem like he didn't have any

1182
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,780
any trouble whatsoever connecting with

1183
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:18,000
spirit that night at all he didn't seem

1184
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:19,890
to be having a bad night where he said

1185
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:22,140
I'm not really getting anything tonight

1186
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:23,550
this is just one of these bad nights

1187
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:26,520
know you he had no problem connecting

1188
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:29,610
well I think Susan I think you have

1189
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:33,330
certainly given us all good reason to be

1190
00:47:42,110 --> 00:47:36,300
skeptical in this situation now what

1191
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:42,120
what's the next move well we have a team

1192
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:43,530
of people who have worked on this

1193
00:47:48,860 --> 00:47:47,160
project for months we're going to get

1194
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:48,870
the information out there of what we

1195
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:52,050
actually found what we learned that kind

1196
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,970
of thing because what we want is we want

1197
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,040
to see if other skeptic groups want to

1198
00:48:01,640 --> 00:47:58,500
replicate what we've done maybe not with

1199
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:01,650
this specific person chip coffey but we

1200
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,200
want to replicate it with other psychics

1201
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:07,020
the techniques that we used which were

1202
00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:08,910
much more extensive than what we did

1203
00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:12,870
that i'm reporting right now are things

1204
00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:15,600
that could be used all over the world in

1205
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,390
many situations if people want to

1206
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:20,040
contact me and get more information

1207
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:22,050
because they're skeptic group want to

1208
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:25,770
try something oh and wants me to advise

1209
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:28,560
them or help guide them or lead a team

1210
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:31,020
to do this they can reach me at Susan

1211
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:33,690
garba calm get more information by

1212
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:36,600
reading the blogs and the articles that

1213
00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:38,610
have been about to be coming out on this

1214
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:41,190
sting that we did alright well that's

1215
00:48:44,570 --> 00:48:42,900
the information folks if you want to

1216
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:44,580
find out more about this operation or

1217
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:46,560
get some advice from Susan robic I think

1218
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:49,170
it's a very worthwhile thing Susan garba

1219
00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:55,050
calm that's s USA nger be icy calm Susan

1220
00:48:59,810 --> 00:48:57,750
go back thank you again for getting out

1221
00:49:02,360 --> 00:48:59,820
there and being very active as you are

1222
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:02,370
thank you I must say for helping to

1223
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:05,160
coordinate the wonderful project which

1224
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:09,450
is putting the the captions on in

1225
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:11,070
different languages on the vaccination

1226
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:13,710
Chronicles video on YouTube that was a

1227
00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:15,870
largely due to your efforts that came

1228
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:16,470
about and

1229
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:18,750
I'm very grateful indeed well thank you

1230
00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:21,240
Richard we really wanted to help out and

1231
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:22,470
this is just a different way of doing

1232
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:25,349
outreach we feel that the vaccination

1233
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:27,630
video that you put out was extremely

1234
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:30,780
informative and very valuable and it's

1235
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:36,210
too important not to have other you know

1236
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:37,980
skeptic groups being able to put this

1237
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:40,859
video out science groups into other

1238
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:42,810
languages it's really important to us to

1239
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:44,609
get the message out that in vaccination

1240
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,730
czar very important well yes again and

1241
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:49,980
thank you so much it's a it's a great

1242
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:51,930
worldwide effort I think and that gives

1243
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:54,210
me a good feeling well Susan I I think

1244
00:49:58,030 --> 00:49:56,010
we should catch up soon to see how this

1245
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:58,040
story progresses in any ramifications

1246
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:01,020
but for now and with thanks again to the

1247
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:02,970
wonderful painting chan who gave me the

1248
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,400
inside scoop the inside tip for this in

1249
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:08,160
interview Susan go back from California

1250
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:26,390
astronomy cast who takes a fact space

1251
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:28,290
journey through the cosmos as it offers

1252
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,180
listeners weekly discussions on

1253
00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:32,880
astronomical topics ranging from planets

1254
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:35,790
to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

1255
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:38,070
Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

1256
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,089
gave southern illinois university

1257
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:41,760
edwardsville this show brings the

1258
00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:43,619
questions of an avid astronomy lover

1259
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:46,080
directly to an astronomer together

1260
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:48,150
Fraser and I explore what is known and

1261
00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:49,710
being discovered about the universe

1262
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,470
around us join us each week as we take a

1263
00:51:03,049 --> 00:50:54,540
fax space journey through the cosmos at

1264
00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:07,799
here's my not spooky action at a

1265
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:13,599
Richard Richard dr. Saunders it's made

1266
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:16,250
out here he may not how you going look

1267
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:17,570
at urban all right look I'm just reading

1268
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,990
this this paper now reversible plastic

1269
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:23,119
events in amorphous materials by M

1270
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:25,670
lundberg in 2008 I'm just wondering if

1271
00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:28,190
you've ever read that paper oh I haven't

1272
00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:29,900
caught up with that one yet may not know

1273
00:51:34,990 --> 00:51:32,270
ah its peer reviewed it apparently it's

1274
00:51:37,569 --> 00:51:35,000
real science and do know how I got there

1275
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:37,579
Richard I want to know Maynard I want to

1276
00:51:41,470 --> 00:51:39,710
know well then we all know that the well

1277
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:41,480
I have to put the word controversial far

1278
00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:43,430
be slammed out the controversial Michael

1279
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:46,790
Shermer has written in and said that the

1280
00:51:52,089 --> 00:51:49,490
paranormal is a gateway drug to science

1281
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:52,099
how do you feel about that the

1282
00:51:57,099 --> 00:51:54,290
paranormal is a gateway drug to science

1283
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,109
yeah and you magic to actual science it

1284
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,359
could be it could be you know what in

1285
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,520
some respects it was for me because when

1286
00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:03,440
I was younger I was certainly interested

1287
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:05,390
in the paranormal but that interest

1288
00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:08,480
evolved I might say over the years into

1289
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:10,220
an interest in science when i discovered

1290
00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:12,310
the science was a well a bit more

1291
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:16,520
satisfying oh just this week i watched

1292
00:52:20,740 --> 00:52:18,290
two different shows of a very different

1293
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:20,750
type i watched an episode from episode 8

1294
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:23,960
cosmos insist on sisters of the Sun that

1295
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:25,400
was the one about all these women that

1296
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:27,410
did work in astrophysics and astronomy

1297
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:30,050
that we never heard about I remember

1298
00:52:35,230 --> 00:52:32,750
that episode yes they would mapping the

1299
00:52:37,809 --> 00:52:35,240
sea at the stars camera there was a

1300
00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:37,819
henrietta leavitt i believe any cannons

1301
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:39,980
Cecilia Payne and Cecilia paid extra did

1302
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:43,460
PhD i think i'm still at atmospheres

1303
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:45,380
which is described as the most brilliant

1304
00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:49,250
thesis ever written in astronomy wow

1305
00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:51,500
that reminds me of our very good friend

1306
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,780
dr. pamela gay who studies variable

1307
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,000
stars all right like like ones that

1308
00:53:01,089 --> 00:52:58,880
might do something or might not well

1309
00:53:04,089 --> 00:53:01,099
they vary in brightness and intensity

1310
00:53:06,780 --> 00:53:04,099
you see they're not static well well

1311
00:53:09,010 --> 00:53:06,790
does my favorite one is Betelgeuse

1312
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:09,020
didn't they named it was that named

1313
00:53:12,579 --> 00:53:10,550
after the movie or was the movie named

1314
00:53:13,930 --> 00:53:12,589
after it I don't know either but it's

1315
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:13,940
one of the big ones it's not one of the

1316
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,290
biggest stars it's getting me it's

1317
00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:16,880
bigger than our Sun but it's a big one

1318
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:18,560
there and I've got a lot out of it and

1319
00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:21,380
I'm good up on a bit on astronomy but

1320
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:23,660
the very same knife i sat down and you

1321
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:23,930
know

1322
00:53:28,330 --> 00:53:25,940
I do enjoy her to the ancient aliens

1323
00:53:29,650 --> 00:53:28,340
which I have heard you do may nod you

1324
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:29,660
know I tried to watch some of the

1325
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:32,210
ancient aliens and I didn't get too far

1326
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,180
well look like you did a series 6 and

1327
00:53:41,020 --> 00:53:37,040
I've got to say how many series is Cosmo

1328
00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:41,030
Scott one ancient aliens 6 series 6

1329
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:43,340
episode 12 this one's about aliens and

1330
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:46,220
stargates region aliens and stargates

1331
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,260
yeah and it's immediately their heavy

1332
00:53:51,490 --> 00:53:50,240
cook there I was going okay right of

1333
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:51,500
course you know I'm taking it with the

1334
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,630
as mr. so it gives his grain of salt and

1335
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,760
instinct and they have a straight into

1336
00:53:58,930 --> 00:53:56,960
it with some fit they were at a

1337
00:54:00,700 --> 00:53:58,940
physicist there Michael Dennin now I

1338
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:00,710
don't know if he's considered to be a

1339
00:54:05,110 --> 00:54:03,590
proper physicist or not but apparently

1340
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:05,120
he's got the doctrine he's got a

1341
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:07,490
doctorate in physics and he was talking

1342
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:09,470
about he brought up the whole thing of

1343
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:11,900
exotic matter with negative mass being

1344
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:14,570
able to power at the wall wormhole now

1345
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:16,430
immediately I was going okay what is

1346
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:18,500
exotic matter what does something with

1347
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:19,970
negative mass and I had to go look these

1348
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:22,930
things up yeah had to pause the tape and

1349
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,720
I have absolutely no idea but then i can

1350
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:28,160
send look look just as I don't know what

1351
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:30,650
exact matter is I will power on and that

1352
00:54:33,850 --> 00:54:31,940
brought us through the perhaps they were

1353
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:33,860
talking about propulsion in terms of

1354
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:35,450
quantum entanglement now we all know

1355
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:38,600
what quantum entangle called by Einstein

1356
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:41,240
don't we oh don't tell me mean I don't

1357
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:43,300
tell me could it be spooky action

1358
00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:45,560
correct and if they were talking about

1359
00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:47,300
how all that matter out there has a

1360
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:49,550
local effect upon matter here and I

1361
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:51,530
thought hang on a minute what does that

1362
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:53,810
sound like other that before that sounds

1363
00:54:58,780 --> 00:54:57,200
a little bit like astrology Richard it

1364
00:55:00,850 --> 00:54:58,790
doesn't a little a doesn't it may not

1365
00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:00,860
because the idea behind astrologer is

1366
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:04,760
that bodies in space especially stars

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:07,220
that which are many many many

1368
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:09,530
light-years away have a direct influence

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00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:12,920
on us here on earth that's right so I

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00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:14,420
thought that I thought okay so I thought

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00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:16,340
I'll go with that matter guy I think it

1372
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:17,570
might be Michael assault showing off a

1373
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:20,210
bit of an engine that basically if it

1374
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:21,850
went back and forth back and forth

1375
00:55:29,020 --> 00:55:25,250
inside itself it could move forward in a

1376
00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:29,030
vacuum nanometer which I thought well

1377
00:55:32,050 --> 00:55:30,080
that's not a particularly effective

1378
00:55:34,570 --> 00:55:32,060
propulsion my Volkswagen could do better

1379
00:55:36,819 --> 00:55:34,580
than that but so again it's in I think

1380
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:36,829
i'm missing something here I'm

1381
00:55:40,989 --> 00:55:38,450
okay we may be having what they call

1382
00:55:42,489 --> 00:55:40,999
junk science here so okay I'm going to

1383
00:55:45,459 --> 00:55:42,499
look up the work of Michael denim and

1384
00:55:47,799 --> 00:55:45,469
that's where I found myself reading the

1385
00:55:50,049 --> 00:55:47,809
paper reversible plastic events in

1386
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:50,059
amorphous materials by M Warren Berg in

1387
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:53,209
2008 and I haven't got a clue what it

1388
00:55:57,130 --> 00:55:54,890
bends so I'm just not quite sure because

1389
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:57,140
I've actually found the paranormal as a

1390
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:00,650
gateway into real science but haven't

1391
00:56:04,299 --> 00:56:02,690
got a clue what i'm reading now this

1392
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,309
happened to me before once with dr.

1393
00:56:08,499 --> 00:56:06,319
Rachel now I'm every night um I went

1394
00:56:09,849 --> 00:56:08,509
because you wouldn't go and dr. H II

1395
00:56:12,459 --> 00:56:09,859
wouldn't go because punches will be

1396
00:56:14,289 --> 00:56:12,469
thrown if she went and that anti-vaccine

1397
00:56:16,479 --> 00:56:14,299
movie made in America or something like

1398
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:16,489
that I think of her I learned along to

1399
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:18,380
that I went along to that to have a good

1400
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:19,940
look and see what was going on and that

1401
00:56:25,209 --> 00:56:22,609
they kept going this is in pubmed this

1402
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:25,219
is in pubmed look it up in pubmed so of

1403
00:56:28,989 --> 00:56:26,630
course i went looked up all this stuff

1404
00:56:31,449 --> 00:56:28,999
they were planning in pubmed and you get

1405
00:56:33,459 --> 00:56:31,459
as a layman reading this stuff you get

1406
00:56:37,029 --> 00:56:33,469
two sentences in and you get bamboozled

1407
00:56:38,709 --> 00:56:37,039
by big words and some of the words mean

1408
00:56:40,349 --> 00:56:38,719
the opposite of each other and i

1409
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:40,359
remember ringing dr. HD and i was it

1410
00:56:45,009 --> 00:56:42,890
dreadfully confused so sometimes you

1411
00:56:46,749 --> 00:56:45,019
just have to give in to the experts but

1412
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:46,759
i will agree that actually the

1413
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:49,190
paranormal and the hokey-pokey can get

1414
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:50,690
you into real science the problem is

1415
00:56:53,229 --> 00:56:52,130
that most of the time you won't know

1416
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,239
what the hell you're really unless

1417
00:56:57,249 --> 00:56:54,799
you've actually gone to university for

1418
00:56:59,680 --> 00:56:57,259
longer than the day I was there well I

1419
00:57:02,410 --> 00:56:59,690
guess me now do you try to jump in at

1420
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,420
the deep end so to speak well the hell

1421
00:57:06,489 --> 00:57:04,400
is but how was he gonna do it I can't

1422
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:06,499
sit there watching ancient aliens and

1423
00:57:11,739 --> 00:57:09,890
not know how a wormhole works and while

1424
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:11,749
on that topic too I believe please

1425
00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:13,130
skeptics guide to the universe people

1426
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:14,900
will be coming within range of my voice

1427
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:17,599
fairly shortly they will look at this of

1428
00:57:21,579 --> 00:57:20,209
them I'm tapping the table because I've

1429
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:21,589
got a bone to pick with them they are

1430
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:23,420
milk that got always dump it on there

1431
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:26,209
always taken the big poop on dr. michio

1432
00:57:30,670 --> 00:57:28,910
kaku from a physicist from New York

1433
00:57:33,549 --> 00:57:30,680
because you know he hedges his bets

1434
00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:33,559
because he says there may be UFOs he

1435
00:57:38,589 --> 00:57:35,809
says but you know we maybe I would make

1436
00:57:41,019 --> 00:57:38,599
a wormhole he uses words like that and

1437
00:57:42,189 --> 00:57:41,029
you know apparently but Rebecca's just

1438
00:57:44,019 --> 00:57:42,199
had enough of that kind of stuff and

1439
00:57:46,359 --> 00:57:44,029
like he's in big trouble if those that

1440
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:46,369
it'll be like matter and antimatter if

1441
00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:48,460
the skeptic got inverse people

1442
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:50,200
dr. michio kaku in the same room

1443
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:51,849
there'll be an explosion but I'm getting

1444
00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:53,080
offended in fact I've you have to get a

1445
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:54,849
t-shirt with a big photo of it eating

1446
00:57:59,339 --> 00:57:57,670
and take on oh wow you going to do that

1447
00:58:01,230 --> 00:57:59,349
and turn up at the skeptics guide to the

1448
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:01,240
others i was because i would like to

1449
00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:03,790
completely defend him and be slammed

1450
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:06,760
down by their wit and intelligence I cuz

1451
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:09,430
I'm Nicole I am you know may not your

1452
00:58:13,859 --> 00:58:11,950
dream just might come true sometimes a

1453
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:13,869
futile gesture is needed and I've just

1454
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:16,660
the guide and do it Richard well at

1455
00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:18,430
least may not there's something I mean

1456
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:19,960
when you are bamboozled by these

1457
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:23,050
academic papers as am i of course I mean

1458
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:25,780
I'm not a trained scientist at least we

1459
00:58:28,770 --> 00:58:27,490
know that there are trained scientists

1460
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:28,780
out there and you know what we can

1461
00:58:33,329 --> 00:58:30,910
approach them that's right that's right

1462
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:33,339
now a human may actually going to go see

1463
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:36,430
some ghosts next weekend who you are we

1464
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:37,810
are Maynard we're going to go to the

1465
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:39,540
paranormal convention now there's more

1466
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:42,040
details at the end of this episode about

1467
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:44,380
the paranormal convention coming up i'll

1468
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:46,300
be speaking there and you'll be speaking

1469
00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:48,550
at people there may be speaking at a

1470
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,820
ghost ok don't put the quick black of

1471
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:54,160
the manor condo you wear this interview

1472
00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:56,800
with danny elfman from nadi an anon

1473
00:59:00,270 --> 00:58:58,200
though did you be good if a family

1474
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:00,280
soundtrack work that Danny off one's

1475
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:02,290
done it would Scissorhands Batman just a

1476
00:59:07,650 --> 00:59:05,710
name a few what classics absolutes

1477
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:07,660
classic in fact I was really taken with

1478
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:09,910
it Edward Scissorhands generally when it

1479
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:11,710
came out I I thought that was a very

1480
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:13,930
interesting movie Vincent prices last

1481
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:16,540
movie and Tom Jones even had a tracking

1482
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:19,720
I don't remember that I've heard it I'm

1483
00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:21,010
pretty sure he did in there that's

1484
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,750
what's all I need to know so that that's

1485
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:25,119
where I at this point in time it's going

1486
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:27,910
to a book here called the big small it's

1487
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:31,119
all about it's from Stephen Martin Java

1488
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:33,730
go Goldstein and Robert junio knee it's

1489
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:36,010
all about tongue instead of how trying

1490
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:38,410
to convert people or bring people round

1491
00:59:42,930 --> 00:59:41,290
to an idea with a big idea yeah but

1492
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:42,940
you're better off doing it with a whole

1493
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:44,710
bunch of small ones like don't get

1494
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,510
people to promise that they'll be a good

1495
00:59:50,609 --> 00:59:48,640
person for the rest of their life just

1496
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:50,619
asking that they won't steal stuff

1497
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:54,250
tomorrow start small you say mean yeah

1498
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:55,570
something like that and I think that

1499
00:59:58,410 --> 00:59:57,010
there's something that physics too

1500
01:00:00,030 --> 00:59:58,420
because a lot of people launching the

1501
01:00:01,770 --> 01:00:00,040
online chat rooms and try and change

1502
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:01,780
people's minds in an evening

1503
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:05,050
and it always ends in tears it does it

1504
01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:06,460
does and it's a very good points you

1505
01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:09,220
make there are you can change people's

1506
01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:11,830
minds but don't expect to do it in one

1507
01:00:16,650 --> 01:00:13,870
go it's just there it's pretty rare it's

1508
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:16,660
a book I recommend the small big it's

1509
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:18,760
called the small single big small

1510
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:22,210
changes that spark big influence it

1511
01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:24,310
sounds like a good recommendation may

1512
01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:26,500
not oh yeah oh yeah they've also got a

1513
01:00:30,210 --> 01:00:27,940
big thick book you about this is how

1514
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:30,220
thick innocent oh and that's so thick

1515
01:00:34,860 --> 01:00:32,170
that's a big thick book that's all about

1516
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:34,870
the life of Queen Victoria and I'm just

1517
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:36,850
going on you know I've been through the

1518
01:00:40,110 --> 01:00:38,290
first three hundred pages it doesn't

1519
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:40,120
mention anything about the disco period

1520
01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:42,670
what what what what about the aliens I

1521
01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:44,800
mean come on nah there's nothing that

1522
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:47,230
tortured in there at all ah I was

1523
01:00:51,110 --> 01:00:48,670
waiting for that of course I'll be

1524
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:51,120
anticipating this manga not be reviled

1525
01:00:57,090 --> 01:00:54,340
me maybe it's it's just at all a

1526
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:57,100
conspiracy look I'll let you go because

1527
01:01:01,470 --> 01:00:58,450
you've actually got a proper show put

1528
01:01:04,380 --> 01:01:01,480
together Hirogen Maynard where would we

1529
01:01:07,530 --> 01:01:04,390
be without your insights probably better

1530
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:07,540
off I'd say you're probably right well

1531
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:09,370
I'm going to head back and rip watch the

1532
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:11,500
more cost more sense more ancient aliens

1533
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:12,610
if anyone's got thing kept their

1534
01:01:17,250 --> 01:01:14,470
favorite episode 4 is let us know get

1535
01:01:19,950 --> 01:01:17,260
contact us on the zone thank you may

1536
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:19,960
know at the that may not signing off

1537
01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:44,830
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1538
01:01:48,910 --> 01:01:46,520
zone wow what a packed episode it was

1539
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:48,920
this week yes don't forget I'll be

1540
01:01:53,470 --> 01:01:51,170
appearing at the Australian paranormal

1541
01:01:55,180 --> 01:01:53,480
and spiritual Expo and I think Maynard's

1542
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:55,190
going to be there too which is fantastic

1543
01:02:02,140 --> 01:01:58,370
other skeptics own reporters may well be

1544
01:02:05,350 --> 01:02:02,150
there hopefully Joe alabaster oh that

1545
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:05,360
would be nice and other skeptics to of

1546
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:07,490
course who will be there at the

1547
01:02:12,190 --> 01:02:09,950
Australian skeptics table to answer your

1548
01:02:16,990 --> 01:02:12,200
questions and give you more information

1549
01:02:18,610 --> 01:02:17,000
I may even bend a spoon or to hell if

1550
01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:18,620
you're lucky I'll fold you an origami

1551
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,190
Pegasus I'll put the link on the show

1552
01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:25,760
notes but it's ww Australian paranormal

1553
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:30,500
and spiritual expo com I you well I'm

1554
01:02:35,050 --> 01:02:32,870
going to need all my wits about me for

1555
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:35,060
that I am sure I better start working on

1556
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:37,250
my talk well I've almost finished my

1557
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:40,010
talk really and I'm also going to be

1558
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:41,960
giving another talk later on in the year

1559
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:45,170
in Canberra I had the tenth of december

1560
01:02:48,190 --> 01:02:46,400
i think i'll be in canberra to give

1561
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:48,200
another talk but more information about

1562
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:50,570
that in the coming months but for this

1563
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:52,820
week this is Richard Saunders signing

1564
01:03:01,120 --> 01:02:58,730
off from Sydney Australia you've been

1565
01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:01,130
listening to the skeptic zone

1566
01:03:09,009 --> 01:03:05,990
visit our website at www skipped exam TV